For Education and Fun Who would you choose? - Page 1

Okay.

I know the PDB can be a rough venue so a few things off the bat.

1) I am not a breeder:  I do not have the connections to properly place puppies so this is purely an academic exercise.
2) If you are concerned about point 1 please be aware that I spayed my IPO 1 (training for FH) bitch Hanni Apanta rei, http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=561866 despite her clear HD and ED because I did not feel her breed worthy. (For the record her temperment is as solid as you could ask.  She is sound in therapy situations, with small children, the elderly, small animals and as a beloved house pet as well as an amazing tracking partner.)
3) I am asking this simply to pick the knowledgeble brains on this site about their thoughts how you would match a mating pair.  

That all said I have the following male.

Erik Vicona http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=640962

Strengths: 

1) Level head - He lives in a house with a young child, smaller animals the above described bitch and is our house pet.  He is a JOY to live with, very calm and loving, wants only to be with his people.   Out on the Schtzhund field he is very attentive to his handler and does not require incredible correction to get a concept.

2)Civil - His bite work is very civil rather than prey driven.  He is not out on the field to play with the helper he means business and do not get in his way.

3) Environmentally sound - Increadly sound in the head in any enviornmental situation.  From busy malls, to crowded streets, the vets office, to screaming emergency vehicles, to riding in cars, he has alwasy been calm, attentive to his handler and willing to accept any situation his handler places him in with dignity and grace.

4) Versitile - Solid on the schutzhund field and in protection but also a very calm, level headed therapy dog to a young, troubled child.

5) Very, VERY dog/environment neutral when on the leash.

Weaknesses:

1) Very low prey drive - His drive took work to bring out.  Lots of playing keep away with the ball when he was young and very low for any prey work as a young dog for protection.

2) Sensitive to the handler -  His handler can give him a correction on a flat collar in protection and it is the same as if another dog took the same correction from a prong or electric.  He is very reactive to the negative correction from his handler.

3) Sensitive to correction - It does not take much to get a concept through to his head.  The negative is that a bad or ill timed correction will haunt him for some time and take a lot to get over.

4) Not precocious - Because of his low prey drive it took up until he was 18 months to be able to work him in protection.  He is not a precocious, prey dog.

5) Delicate stomach - He is definitely reactive to quick food changes or grain foods.

6) Conformation - NOT MY STRONG SUIT and I have other pictures of him but .... long in the back.

Pictures:



So just for fun and education please!  Given his lines, strength, weaknesses, conformation, which lines/bitch types would you look for if you were going to breed him and WHY?

Perhaps you could add, what kind of dog  you are wanting out of the breeding, sport, police dog, therapy dog, SAR etc.

Looking at his phenomenal pedigree, he should produce well....put him to a high prey driven female...
That's if you want pups for sport....This line he carries are good for law enforcement as well...

Given the type of dog you mention, this point under weaknesses is a bit confusing to me;
3) Sensitive to correction - It does not take much to get a concept through to his head. The negative is that a bad or ill timed correction will haunt him for some time and take a lot to get over.

So your wanting to pruduce this lol.




Heres a nice little female.
Mating Check with your dog.
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/breeding.result?father=640962&mother=711144
Pedigree
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=711144

She compliments your dogs conformation.


Other High prey dogs out of the above lines.  Currently popular so not hard to find projeny.
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=625309
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=673875
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=625300
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=727479

This is just one line from 10 minutes of research.  I am sure others could find more.  With enough research would be easy to find compliment to your male.

OMG....Vince....that pic of the female with the ball is too funny.
What a beautiful girl....love her breeding.

Wow. That's great photography and a beautiful female.

Aadilah -  Thank you for your comments and sharing your thought process with them!   In regards to your question, he is very handler sensitive and throughout his career to date, in protection training he has never worn anything harder than a flat collar because the least correction from my voice/down the leash from me, sets a concept in his head.   This is good when my timing is spot on but I am a novice handler and sometimes my timing is off and then we have to correct not only the original issue but also reassure him that the off time correction is nothing he needs to be concerned about. 

Live4schutzhund - That is a very pretty bitch you linked and I really do like her conformation.   In truth my male's length worries me at times (on flyers especially!!) that a female with conformation that would shorten up that back a little would definitely be desirable.    Her lines are very nice as well!!

Sorry I sould have clarified.  The dog with the ball is-
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=625309
Not my dog.  Just a picture to make a point.

The female is not mine either.  I cannot take any cedit for these dogs or the photos other than digging them out of the database.

Oh!  I should clarify one point.

Those are beautiful and intense dogs, Lives4 has put up but the thing I really like about my boy is the clarity of his head, his calm temperment and his on/off switch.   

I don't like all prey monsters. I've worked with that and yes they are flashy and you can do a lot with them in that drive but they can also be a little over the top.    

If I was asked what one thing Erik brings to the genetic pool that I find most favorable, it would not be his grips (which are hard and calm, always have been) but his ability to go out on the schutzhund field, show well then come off the field and sit calm and steady for my special needs nephew to crawl all over.

RLHAR - in protection training it is normal for a GSD to get out of control...and as a handler you can and should be a little harder as the GSD's drive should override the corrections...and will continue to work even though he/she was corrected...

From what you are saying, he is definately over sensitive to you...

I would suggest you free him up a bit in protection training...
Meaning : You try and stay out the picture and praise from a few yards away...
Allow him to do a couple of back up bites and ask the helper to leave the sleeve once your boy has a good grip on it...
Let him run around with the sleeve in his mouth and call him gently, pat him on the side as if to say job well done...then allow him to run around again with it in his mouth...

I've competed with an Aron Brachelor See ( brother to Amigo) grandson, dog was hard, if I was unfair to him, he would bite me...he also had the Conneforde lines in his pedigree...
Your boy is also linebred 5-4 on Fado Karthago...a top dog who produced some serious sport and L.E. dogs...

Maybe this soft side is coming from his motherline, i'm not too sure...but give him a chance in the training and you will see a different side to him...