SV Standard colors - Page 1

I'm not seeing where the SV allows any of the "off" colors...By "grey," they do not mean blue, they mean the non-reddish agouti; "brown" is not liver but refers to brownish markings; it also says that all dogs must have black noses. So where does the SV allow all these alternative colors people keep saying are allowable in the standard? The following is a cut and past from the UScA website. Somebody please show me where blue, liver, piebald, etc., are accepted.

Pigment

Black with reddish brown, brown, tan to light-grey markings. Solid black, grey with darker overcast, black saddle and mask. Inconspicuous small white chest markings, as well as lighter pigment on the inside of the legs is permitted, but not desirable. All dogs, no matter what their color, must have black noses.

Missing mask, light to white markings on the chest and inner leg sides, light toenails, and a red tail tip are signs of faulty pigmentation. Undercoat has a slight grey cast. White is not permissible. 

I know Bazza but everybody (most recently Dingodog) referred to all these variations as "allowable in the standard." I just cannot see WHERE. I think they must have it confused with that list of colors you would mark off if you were registering your litter? I don't get it; how do they think it's actually justifiable to breed NON STANDARD colors and then pretend they are standard? Or else I must be missing all the allowable colors.

Apricot and white, for god's sake???

Bazza & Vom......personally....I like mine colored Purple w/ yellow polka dots.......wait a minute....".you're not talking about "my little ponies, are you??"

Vom Marischal
Read the posts.  I do not say that these off colours are allowable in the standard. I said and gave a direct quote from Malcolm Willis that suggested their inclusion in the standard (blues, livers and whites), and also that he had written to the UK KC about colours, and thereby suggesting that they (kc) may consider them for inclusion in the future (based on the opinion of probably the world's leading geneticist) and also the most knowledgable living person on the GSD and it's history. I presume Vom Marischal that you do give SOME credence to the opinions of Malcolm Willis. Here is the quote - yet again - but this time with more text:

 ‘There is also a need to look at so called disqualifying features, notably colour, for example, white, blue and liver. To quote the breed standard, ‘colour in itself is of secondary importance having no affect on character or fitness for work‘. White dogs have been discriminated against from the beginnings of the breed, because Max von Stephanitz considered them to be ‘degenerate’. He did not say the same about blues and livers because he probably never saw any. If whites are isolated, they will become inferior because of limited bloodlines available. A more thoughtful approach would be to consider and include them. Remember that until recently some SV judges argued that grey sables were a different type to black and tans. So much for bigoted judges‘.       MALCOLM WILLIS !

No Bazza, I did not state that, someone else did Uber Land I think), because  you(mistakenly)  thought it was the SV that had allegedly changed the standard and I pointed out to you that I thought actually the poster had been referring to the AKC, which turned out to be correct. Just a matter of reading the posts. I have no knowledge of the story about the blue dog.

Bazza.it was in the uk kc breed record supplement that i saw  these gsd pups classed as apricot and white and i remember seeing tri colour in one as well.havent seen a BRS for a while.going to b,ham national tomoz.kc have a stand might buy one to have a gander to see wot colours are in there and will report back.Carole S.

AKC accepts ALL colors. SV does not. Look on your puppy registration forms. You check the box, and there are several  boxes, including liver and blue. And liver AND blue. But you can't SHOW them because it's a disqualifying fault.

Dingodog, this is a copy and paste from your post:

No Carole (and Nellie), he wasn't since those are all colours acceptable in the standard already.

Read it again - Malcolm Willis precisely mentioned including blues, livers and whites. It IS a direct quote.